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Sekolah Rendah[sunting sumber]

Untuk pengetahuan anda, Sekolah Kebangsaan = Sekolah Rendah. Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan = Sekolah Menengah / Sekolah Tinggi. Tidak perlu meletak kategori Sekolah Rendah, kerana ia bertindan dengan kategori Sekolah Kebangsaan. Yosri (bincang) 11:17, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Pecahan kategori adalah:- Sekolah di Malaysia

Sekolah lelaki di Malaysia‎ (3 L)
Pecahan menurut negeri
Sekolah perempuan di Malaysia‎ (1 L)
Pecahan menurut negeri
Sekolah menengah agama di Malaysia‎ (7 K, 13 L)
Pecahan menurut negeri
Sekolah berasrama penuh di Malaysia‎ (5 K, 70 L)
Sekolah menengah kebangsaan di Malaysia‎ (14 K, 4 L)
Sekolah menengah kebangsaan di Johor‎ (26 L)
Nama Sekolah
Sekolah menengah kebangsaan di Kedah
Sekolah teknik di Malaysia‎ (14 K, 2 L)
Pecahan menurut negeri
Sekolah persendirian di Malaysia‎ (14 L)
Pecahan menurut negeri Yosri (bincang) 11:23, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Draft namespace[sunting sumber]

Are you referring to draft namespace (here known as {{stub}})? I am trying to upgrade them and all of school article I created is from official list. However, I missed the reference list when generating those template. I am trying to update those reference at later date (assume 30 per month), as I am also trying to translate 1 long article per month + several new article per weeks. Currently, I also vetted 97% of all edited articles individually, so some forbearance is requested. Regards. Yosri (bincang) 12:47, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Most school reference should be link to this Ministery of Education, Malaysia official listing. I just don't have times to updates them all yet. Actually, I was hoping those student 1 out of ((40 per class* 4 class * 6 years = 960 student) + 40 teachers =) 1,000 will be willing to update their school pages), but seems I was mistaken. :)
Yosri (bincang) 13:00, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Agensi & Jabatan[sunting sumber]

In Malaysia it is separate meaning, bodies. Goverment is using Jabatan, ie Ketua Jabatan. Refer to Direktori Ketua Jabatan Dan Agensi Di Bawah JPM. Yosri (bincang) 14:05, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Is it possible to create Kategori:Agensi dan jabatan kerajaan di Malaysia? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:09, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Sure. The use at the moment is quite inconsistent. However, if you see the word agensi, high probability it is newly created within last 5 years (I think - no reference).( Reference here.) Yosri (bincang) 14:10, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Agensi, Bahagian, Badan, Biro, Jabatan, Lembaga, Pejabat, Suruhanjaya, Unit. All can be included in the Kategori:Agensi dan jabatan kerajaan di Malaysia. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:13, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Agensi/Agency can be non-governmental also. Just to note. Refer here Yosri (bincang) 14:18, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Kategori:Pertubuhan bukan kerajaan di Malaysia includes non-government agencies. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:23, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Is it suitable to create Kategori:Pertubuhan kerajaan di Malaysia. Pertubuhan = Organisation. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:24, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

No. Pertubuhan is Society. Yosri (bincang) 14:38, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Sometimes Pertubuhan also translated from English as Organisation. For example, UMNO? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:39, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Yes it does. Refer http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Cari1?keyword=pertubuhan&d=228972&#LIHATSINI Note the dual meaning Pertubuhan/Organisasi Yosri (bincang) 14:41, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)
For me, I usually translate as Organisasi/Organisation. Yosri (bincang) 14:42, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Civil society = Masyarakat madani. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:44, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Search for Pertubuhan. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:55, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

  1. (Civil=madani (peace) civilised (bertamadun) ) (society = Masyarakat). Madani as advance in mentality and wordly.
  2. Yes it does. Refer http://prpm.dbp.gov.my/Cari1?keyword=pertubuhan&d=228972&#LIHATSINI Note the dual meaning Pertubuhan/Organisasi Yosri (bincang) 15:00, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)
Tubuh = body. Pertubuhan= body+body (many people). Yosri (bincang) 15:01, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to include all Malaysian governmental agencies and departments into Kategori:Pertubuhan kerajaan di Malaysia? Can bots move those articles into this new category? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 15:37, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Pertubuhan in Malay have connotation of non-goverment. I disinclined to combine the word as I feel it is oxymoron. Pertubuhan feels like many people get together to set up a club/society etc. Goverment is more like, you are put there, willing or not. But then, I am laissez faire on these. Yosri (bincang) 16:01, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)
It feels like you asking me Goverment Society and Department is ok. Yosri (bincang) 16:03, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Pertubuhan bukan kerajaan vs Pertubuhan bukan kerajaan. Antonym Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 16:33, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Pertubuhan kerajaan = badan kerajaan. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 16:35, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC) Pertubuhan bukan kerajaan = Badan bukan kerajaan. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 16:35, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Is it rare to translate Non-government organisation to Malay as Pertubuhan bukan pemerintah. Government = Pemerintah. Monarchy = Kerajaan?? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 16:42, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Huuu! Not sure your question, but :-
  • Goverment = Kerajaan,
  • Kingdom = Kerajaan
  • Monarch=Raja (bertakhta/memerintah),
  • King=Raja.
  • Goverment body = Badan Kerajaan (Body=badan / Goverment=Kerajaan).
I would translate Non-government organisation as Organisasi bukan kerajaan. Yosri (bincang) 16:47, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Well, I found a lot of inconsistencies when matching Malay words and English words. To be precise those words originated from other European languages including Latin, Greek. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 16:50, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Yes. It's depend on historical context. If the word have old translation, it take precedent over standard translation. It is difficult for me to describe it, unless you give the complete sentence as it also depend on the it's positions. I will try to give example, but it is late now here at 1 am. Maybe be tomorrow. Usually, if it is Special/Specific Name it will be taken wholesales (as it is). Yosri (bincang) 16:55, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)
Animals Kingdom is translated as Alam Haiwan not Kerajaan Haiwan. Similar like I will write my will tomorrow. Yosri (bincang) 17:09, 3 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Sekolah Menengah Pei Hwa[sunting sumber]

I dont think they are using Persendirian in their name. Even their english name is just Pei Hwa High School, not Pei Hwa Private High School. Yosri (bincang) 00:37, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Search for Sek Men (Persendirian) Pei Hwa website. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 00:39, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

When I search for Chinese-language schools in Malaysia using Google search engine, I found inconsistencies in naming Chinese-language schools in Malaysia. Some websites uses SMJK, SMK or SMK (Cf). Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 01:01, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Some Chinese-language schools separated into two: SMJK and SM Persendirian. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 01:03, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

That is why I would refer their name to goverment sites. Ie refer Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Yok Bin at http://www.melakacom.net/malay/pendidikan/secondary-mt.htm Yosri (bincang) 01:51, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Which one should be prioritized? Official registered name or common name? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 01:53, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Schools in Malaysia need to registered with gov and will receive schools code. I personally use the goverment registered name, instead of their trading name (web pages). As I am on phone, will validate once I back at CC. Yosri (bincang) 01:57, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Is it allowed the unregistered schools or formerly registered schools to have Wikipedia stand alone article? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 01:58, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Unregistered no, fomer yes for historical records. As long as have supporting documentations, as a encyclopedia.Yosri (bincang) 02:07, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Is it allowed the pre-kindergartens, kindergartens, pre-schools, pre-school playgroups, playgrounds, nursery schools, day care centers, early childhood centers, tuition centers, orphanages, nursing homes, old age home, welfare institutions to have Wikipedia stand alone article? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 02:14, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Only if have proof of registration with state/felderal. Some schools is registered with state, instead of felderal. Usually traditional school/sekolah pondok. Chinese school mostly felderal registered. Felderal registered is recognised for goverment employement. Yosri (bincang) 02:17, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Unregistered school in Malaysia. It is reported that more than 600 tahfiz schools do not manage to register with school's registrar. It is questionable if they have proper standard of procedure (SOP) in the school administration. They may be have their own reason to prefer unregistered till now. Maybe Wikipedia should have one article discussing about unregistered school issue. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 02:26, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Registered school required building and salaries staff. Unregistered school usually run by individual (no salary) and depended on donations and have low or free fees. They usually registered once they establish financially, otherwise, donation based school died of with their owner once they passed away. Their student do not work with goverment but with state (state registered) or non goverment companies or society agency. Yosri (bincang) 02:40, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)
Difficult to write since very low documentations on them. They/this types of education have been around for hundreds of years, since Malacca/Melaka Kingdom. Yosri (bincang) 02:43, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

At this time, Wikipedia have thousands of Malaysian registered schools-related stub articles. Is it allowed the pre-kindergartens, kindergartens, pre-schools, pre-school playgroups, playgrounds, nursery schools, day care centers, early childhood centers, tuition centers, orphanages, nursing homes, old age home, welfare institutions to have Wikipedia stand alone article? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 03:01, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Primary and secondary have potential contribution by students. Only have proof of registration with state/felderal no reason to restricted them. Nursery, daycare is too small student number, do usually, I dont bother. Any others must proof official registrations or in news for verification purpose. Yosri (bincang) 09:06, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Sekolah Tinggi[sunting sumber]

Please do not simply transfer Sekolah Tinggi to SMK. Please check official name. They are different type of beast. Yosri (bincang) 09:01, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

In 1990s, most of Malaysian schools change their school names: Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan --> Sekolah Kebangsaan; Sekolah Menengah --> Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan; Sekolah Tinggi --> Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Tinggi; Sekolah Menengah Agama --> Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Agama; Sekolah Menengah Vokasional --> Sekolah Menengah Teknik --> Kolej Vokasional (changes occur in 2010s) Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:07, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Do you find any exception from standard school naming convention? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:10, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Yes. That is why I do not auto transfer. SMK mean Sekolah (school) Menengah (secondary) Kebangsaan (felderal). I suspect those school is not under felderal grant or not complete level 1-5. I havent got around to confirm it. Yosri (bincang) 09:25, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)
I did mention I always refer to official name earlier. If they have school code you can search the official listings I provided earlier. Yosri (bincang) 09:29, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Actually how many Malaysian school-related articles in this Malay Language Wikipedia project? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:30, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

It missing some school open after 2007. I was using 2007 listing earlier that I combined with 2009 numbers of pupils. But I believe it is less than 2K then. Some were not created by me. Yosri (bincang) 09:35, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)
See http://www.moe.gov.my/index.php/my/statistik-kpm/statistik-bilangan-sekolah-murid-guru Yosri (bincang) 09:38, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)


Many articles have outdated data (number of students, name of school's top leaders), being copy-and-paste from school websites (official/unofficial), school blogs word by word, left abandoned more than two years by you and other article's creators. I don't think it is useful for reader's benefits when they search for any Malaysian schools. Do you still have any hope to maintain those school articles. I cannot imagine how you able to maintain thousands of school articles. Unmaintainable and unsustainable. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:42, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Excuse me. The updating is being done on continuous basis. I was updating Tamil school, when you come in. You can refer contribution pages. You can always put in tagging for "copy-and-paste" but, since the schools is government school, is it copyright in the first place? Yosri (bincang) 10:16, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Based on en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, I found that Malay Language Wikipedia project lacking good articles about Malaysian school-related topics. Can you show me which Malaysian school-related article in a good quality as guidance? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 10:37, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines#What not to include

School articles should also specifically not include:

  • Copies of the school's mission statement, aims, or goals – these are generally considered promotional;
  • The lyrics of the school song (or school anthem). However, the lyrics may be placed on Wikisource and linked to from the article using {{Wikisource}} if it can be verified that the song is in the public domain or has been released by the copyright holder under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike licence. See Wikipedia:Public domain and Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights for guidance on when material will enter the public domain. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 10:54, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

How to expand those stubs if they don't have enough reliable sources? Creating the notable alumni section, awards and recognition section, etc. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 10:57, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Since when those rules become relevant to other Wiki outside english? Did you check applicability those rules to non english Wiki? Where it is stated? Why should I write about foreign person who got nothing to do with me or my culture. I will no longer touch those foreign article and will focus on local content article. Yosri (bincang) 14:40, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Use official name.[sunting sumber]

When I say use official name, I seriously mean it. Please do not simply transfer those schools to what you think is correct. I will have to move them back to proper name. Yosri (bincang) 13:59, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Do you mean Sekolah Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan articles? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 13:59, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Every single school. Yosri (bincang) 14:02, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Wait for a while. Can you share reliable sources -- MOE links/JPN links which shows list of schools by official name? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:07, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Official name means short name or long name? SMK xxxx or Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan xxx.. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:10, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

In listing they will use short. In official letter the name will be in full, such as

Like I say, do not simply move those pages without referring to official documents. Treat this as official warning. Yosri (bincang) 14:36, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Negeri Perak[sunting sumber]

  • Perak = Silver
  • Negeri Perak = Perak State. Yosri (bincang) 15:25, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Schools related data[sunting sumber]

Here are some schools data, ie principal, school code, misc.

Selangor http://jpnselangor.moe.gov.my/v4/index.php/sekolah/senarai-sekolah
Perlis http://jpnperlis.moe.gov.my/v1/index.php/guru-besar
JB http://ppdjb.edu.my/v3/sekolah2.php
Excel file list of school
Yosri (bincang) 18:03, 4 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Sekolah Tinggi Perempuan Melaka vs Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Tinggi Perempuan Melaka. What is your opinion? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 04:39, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 04:50, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Ypu can refer at http://jpnmelaka.moe.gov.my/v3/index.php/ms/99-kptj-pekeliling/surat-pekeliling-kewangan-kpm/1116-data-pendidikan-sekolah-sekolah-negeri-melaka Yosri (bincang) 05:18, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

I see the word SMK Tinggi Melaka, SMK Tinggi (P) Melaka in that link. Hence, the article should be moved from Sekolah Tinggi Perempuan Melaka into Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Tinggi Perempuan Melaka. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 07:02, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Like I said yesterday, a lot of Sekolah Tinggi were renamed Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Tinggi in 1990s. They actually have their history as English Government School. Although they are called as Sekolah Tinggi in Malaysia, they actually combine US-type middle school (Form 1 - 3 ) and US-type high school (Form 4 - 6) and administered together by one principal (in US, middle schools are administered separately from high schools). Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 07:10, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Please transfer once you confirm, not what you think. Provide proof by providing link to source reference. Yosri (bincang) 08:21, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

I will provide reliable sources into those articles. Those websites use all caps but Wikipedia articles should follow manual of style by avoiding all caps. Do you agree if I move Sekolah Tinggi Perempuan Melaka (former school name) to Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Tinggi Perempuan, Melaka? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 08:33, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

With reference, yes please. I will validate during my patroling. Yosri (bincang) 08:38, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

If you look carefully those school badges, you can see those badges use all caps, use short name SK, SMK, SJK, SRJK, some may spelt differently, some may omit Kebangsaan, some may add town/state, some may show year of establishments. A lot of variants and near impossible to be precise in naming Wikipedia article. To avoid confusion, we should just following school names by school code registered with MOE/JPN. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:31, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Yes please.Yosri (bincang) 10:04, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)
The school name is using proper name spelling. First letter capital follow by small letter. Yosri (bincang) 10:06, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

How about school badge? If they spelt different way from "official name"? Sometimes, school name spelt differently in their own school magazine, school gate. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 10:19, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

That is why using official registered name is encourage if known, otherwise to follow next best available official name (badge/gate). Badge name can be old name which might be different from registered name. School can be open using english name but must be registered using bahasa Melayu name. Yosri (bincang) 10:59, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

"but must be registered using bahasa Melayu name" means must have Sekolah words in their official registered name, then followed by their unique name-foreign sound? I also found some SK/SMK/SJK/SMJK have (M) and (Cf) in their last name. What does that mean? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 11:31, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

M=Methodist, Cf=Confucianism, I think. Yosri (bincang) 12:28, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

See this article: Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Katholik, Selangor (school badge: SMJK KATHOLIK, P. JAYA; lead paragraph: Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Katholik (M) atau nama ringkasnya SMK Katholik (M)). Can you see three different school names. Search for BEB8653. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 13:11, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Are you sure (M) stands for Methodist? In contrast, I found some Convent schools, La Salle school and other non-missionary schools also contain (M) in their school name. Well, I agree that schools containing (Cf) in their school name do have the influence of Confucianism philosophy. The schools containing Islam, Agama, Ugama, Arab usually have the influence of Islam religion and Arabic language and culture. It is rare to see school names containing Kristian, Hindu, Buddha, Yahudi and other faiths in Malaysia. All missionary schools (Methodist, Convent, Anglo-Chinese, Christian saint school, other Christian denomination school) with the long history of non-Muslim culture have been converted into national school (Muslim students learn Pendidikan Islam subject while non-Muslim students learn Pendidikan Moral; all students learn Pendidikan Sivik dan Kewarganegaraan and Pendidikan Jasmani dan Kesihatan together regardless of their religion, belief, faith). Chinese-language schools and Tamil-language schools open to any students who interested with Chinese/Tamil language and culture. Actually I wonder why Malaysia do not have Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan (India), but have thousands of Tamil-language schools. As far as I know, not only Tamil population exist in Malaysia, there are also other ethnic communities / other diasporas exist in Malaysia. Today, all Sekolah Kebangsaan and Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan have enough teachers and resources to teach both Malay and English language and culture, so it is not necessary to put (Inggeris) and Sekolah Aliran Inggeris have been converted to SK/SMK. It is not impossible to see all SJK convert to SK/SMK and providing opportunities to student learning a wide variety of language and culture in different classes in the same school building. How about pluralism and secularism in Malaysian education system? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 13:40, 5 Jun 2017 (UTC)

M can also for missionary school. Tamil, Telegu & Chinese school is school open before independent (+-), and is maintain for political reason/demanded made by respective group. So it is unlikely to be merged with main stream without consensual. The main stream is open to all races. We,/Wiki do not go around rename school. Yosri (bincang) 01:46, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

I wonder why Malaysia do not have Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Arab, Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Jawa, Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Siam, Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Minang, Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Bugis? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 07:44, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Minang, Bugis is part of Malay. Arab is covered in sekolah pondok. No new school outside education curriculum is allowed after Independent. Yosri (bincang) 08:01, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

It is not necessary to have Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Melayu and Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan Inggeris because Sekolah Kebangsaan have enough teachers and resources to teach both Malay and English language and culture. The former Sekolah Melayu and former Sekolah Inggeris already being converted into Sekolah Kebangsaan. It is pleasure to see Sekolah Kebangsaan also provide enough teachers and resources to teach other languages like Mandarin, Tamil, Hindi, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Latin, Arabic, Javanese, Thai, Minangkabau, Buginese. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:07, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Humm . . Some people disagree like PETA. Wiki only record school name, not changing them. 3rd language in Malaysian school read http://www.sinarharian.com.my/mobile/nasional/idris-budayakan-penguasaan-bahasa-ketiga-1.338130 Yosri (bincang) 09:20, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)
"other Christian denomination school) with the long history of non-Muslim culture have been converted " your statement is wrong. By law (under sultan and constitution) they only teach secular subject to public and Christian to practising cristian (at least in west Malaysia), otherwise they will be closed. Yosri (bincang) 09:28, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

I guess we have to wait and see. Let say in future, all SJKs / SRJKs / SMJKs being converted and renamed SKs / SMKs, SJKs term became history and obsolete and Wikipedia will mass redirect all of SJK / SRJK / SMJK articles to SK / SMK articles. SK / SMK also provide opportunities to students to learn third language as elective subject and being examined in the standard examination. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:33, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

SK / SMK usually teach secular subject and just require student to learn basic knowledge about religion, belief and faith via Pendidikan Islam, Pendidikan Moral and Pendidikan Sivik dan Kewarganegaraan. Madrasah, Maahad, Sekolah Agama, Sekolah Tahfiz, and Masjid teach the religion of Islam in depth. Church teach the religion of Christian in depth. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 09:42, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Usually a Malay student will attend SK in the morning and SRA in the afternoon for more advance knowledge about religion, belief and faith. Yosri (bincang) 16:16, 6 Jun 2017 (UTC)

pre-kindergartens, kindergartens listing[sunting sumber]

http://www.kemas.gov.my/index.php/my/premis/taman-bimbingan-kanak-kanak-tabika Yosri (bincang) 01:20, 10 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Module:Location map/data/Earth[sunting sumber]

Rencana ini berkenaan module, jadi ia bukanlah sebuah rencana sebenar. Penghapusannya akan menyebabkan paparan di sesetengah rencana akan kucar-kacir. Zamwan (bincang) 00:28, 16 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Berita Bulanan (Minggu 27 hingga 31 2017)[sunting sumber]

Salam dan hai kepada semua pengguna Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu.

Berikut adalah ringkasan apa yang akan berlaku untuk bulan depan:

Gambar pilihan mingguan
Berikut adalah gambar pilihan mingguan yang sedang diundi. Anda hanya perlu meletakkan {{Undi|v}} atau {{undi|x}} pada bahagian undian. Tekan gambar untuk ke bahagian mengundi.

Anda juga boleh mencalonkan gambar pilihan anda dan pastikan gambar yang dicalon mempunyai rencana berkaitan.

Rencana pilihan
Rencana Pilihan diadakan sebulan sekali. Bulan Mei, rencana Pekak (filem) telah dipilih untuk Rencana Pilihan (arkib). Berikut adalah rencana pilihan bagi bulan Julai 2017:
  1. Tiada pencalonan
Anda boleh mula mencalonkan dari sekarang sehingga 29 Jun 2017. Semasa pengundian dijalankan, anda boleh menambah calon untuk bulan seterusnya atau mengundi bulan yang lain.
Rencana baik
Jika rencana anda gagal mendapatkan tempat di Rencana Pilihan, Rencana Baik memberi ruang rencana anda dihargai. Jika menepati beberapa mutu WBM, rencana tersebut akan terus dimasukkan kepada Rencana Baik tanpa pengundian selepas dicalonkan di Rencana Pilihan. Anda juga boleh mencalonkan terus ke Rencana Baik tanpa melalui Rencana Pilihan. Berikut adalah rencana baik yang boleh di undi:
  1. Tiada pencalonan
Anda boleh mencalonkan rencana baik anda disini.
Senarai pilihan
Rencana yang menempatkan senarai sepenuhnya boleh dicalonkan. Perlu mengikut kriteria yang ditetapkan.
Tiada pencalonan setakat ini.
Anda boleh mencalonkan senarai pilihan anda disini.
Tahukah anda
Ruangan Tahukah anda? di Laman Utama memaparkan beberapa fakta yang difikirkan menarik untuk dikongsikan bersama. Fakta-fakta berikut akan dipaparkan secara rawak pada setiap masa berdasarkan:
  • berita semasa
  • pengetahuan am
  • rencana terbaru Wikipedia
Jika anda ada sebarang cadangan info yang boleh dikongsi; anda boleh membantu kami dengan mencadangkan atau menyumbang terus ke dalam paparan automatik kami. Baca dahulu peraturan sebelum menyumbang.

Berita ini akan diberikan kepada semua ahli aktif di WBM secara automatik. Jika anda tidak mahu mendapat langganan berita ini, anda boleh menyahlanggan berita ini di sini
SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 21:40, 21 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Pembetulan berita (Minggu 27 - 30)[sunting sumber]

Maaf semua, rencana pilihan iaitu Pekak (filem) dipilih untuk bulai Jun, bukan bulan Mei. Maaf atas kesilapan suntingan saya. SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 21:52, 21 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Minta kerjesama semua untuk Rencana Pilihan[sunting sumber]

Salam dan hai semua.

Saya ingin sangat meminta pertolongan anda untuk bekerjasama dalam menyiapkan sebuah rencana bagi Rencana Pilihan bulan Julai ini. Rencana tersebut adalah "Atom". Saya tidak menggalakkan anda mengemaskini di rencana utama. Saya sudah mencipta sebuah kotak pasir bagi tujuan ini. Ini lamannya Pengguna:SNN95/Kotak_pasir/Atom. Saya sudah menterjemah sedikit dan tidak mempunyai masa yang cukup untuk menterjemah disebabkan kekangan masa bagi pekerjaan yang saya sedang lakukan di dunia realiti. Saya tidak mengganggap anda dapat siapkan dalam masa terdekat sehingga 1 Julai 2017. Lewat pun tidak mengapa sehingga kita dapat menyenaraikannya sebagai Rencana Pilihan. Terjemahlah dengan sepenuh jiwa dan hati-hati. Birukan pautan merah dengan rencana yang pendek dari "Simple English" untuk menjimatkan masa anda. Kerjasama anda amat dihargai. Sekian, terima kasih.

Jika anda ada rencana yang boleh dianggap Rencana Pilihan, jangan segan silu mencalonkannya. Tanya sahaja kepada mana-mana penyelia jika tidak tahu bagaimana mahu mencalonkan walaupun sudah berkali-kali anda cuba memahami prosesnya.SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 15:04, 29 Jun 2017 (UTC)

Gabung bukan padam[sunting sumber]

Saya dapati anda banyak membuang maklumat dengan memadamkan laman gandaan, dan tidak menggabungkan laman. Sila elakkan melakukan perkara sedemikian. Yosri (bincang) 14:38, 1 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Kuih Tat Nangka[sunting sumber]

Kenapa pindahkan Kuih Tat Nangka? Ia adalah nama khas dan perlu ditulis dengan huruf besar pada permulaan perkataan apabila dijadikan tajuk. Lihat contoh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. Yosri (bincang) 16:26, 1 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Komku[sunting sumber]

Istilah Komku tiada dalam bahasa Melayu. Sila hapuskannya serta merta. Yosri (bincang) 17:34, 5 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Bantu saya[sunting sumber]

@Alexander Iskandar: Tolong bantu saya untuk tambahkan kategori ke dalam rencana Presiden India. Keluang hitam (bincang) 00:50, 22 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Berita Bulanan (Minggu 32 hingga 36 2017)[sunting sumber]

Salam dan hai kepada semua pengguna Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu.

Berikut adalah ringkasan apa yang akan berlaku untuk bulan depan:

Gambar pilihan mingguan
Berikut adalah gambar pilihan mingguan yang sedang diundi. Anda hanya perlu meletakkan {{Undi|v}} atau {{undi|x}} pada bahagian undian. Tekan gambar untuk ke bahagian mengundi.

Anda juga boleh mencalonkan gambar pilihan anda dan pastikan gambar yang dicalon mempunyai rencana berkaitan.

Rencana pilihan
Rencana Pilihan diadakan sebulan sekali. Bulan Julai, tiada rencana telah dipilih untuk Rencana Pilihan (arkib). Berikut adalah calon rencana pilihan bagi bulan Ogos 2017:
  1. Sistem Pengangkutan Gerak Cepat (Singapura) (undi di sini)
  2. Hale–Bopp (komet) (undi di sini)
Anda boleh mula mencalonkan dari sekarang sehingga 4 Ogos 2017. Semasa pengundian dijalankan, anda boleh menambah calon untuk bulan seterusnya atau mengundi bulan yang lain jika ada.
Rencana baik
Jika rencana anda gagal mendapatkan tempat di Rencana Pilihan, Rencana Baik memberi ruang rencana anda dihargai. Jika menepati beberapa mutu WBM, rencana tersebut akan terus dimasukkan kepada Rencana Baik tanpa pengundian selepas dicalonkan di Rencana Pilihan. Anda juga boleh mencalonkan terus ke Rencana Baik tanpa melalui Rencana Pilihan. Berikut adalah rencana baik yang boleh di undi:
  1. Tiada pencalonan
Anda boleh mencalonkan rencana baik anda disini.
Senarai pilihan
Rencana yang menempatkan senarai sepenuhnya boleh dicalonkan. Perlu mengikut kriteria yang ditetapkan.
Tiada pencalonan setakat ini.
Anda boleh mencalonkan senarai pilihan anda disini.
Tahukah anda
Ruangan Tahukah anda? di Laman Utama memaparkan beberapa fakta yang difikirkan menarik untuk dikongsikan bersama. Fakta-fakta berikut akan dipaparkan secara rawak pada setiap masa berdasarkan:
  • berita semasa
  • pengetahuan am
  • rencana terbaru Wikipedia
Jika anda ada sebarang cadangan info yang boleh dikongsi; anda boleh membantu kami dengan mencadangkan atau menyumbang terus ke dalam paparan automatik kami. Baca dahulu peraturan sebelum menyumbang.

Berita ini akan diberikan kepada semua ahli aktif di WBM secara automatik. Jika anda mahu mendapat langganan berita ini, anda boleh melanggan berita ini di sini
SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 03:58, 31 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Filem 2020[sunting sumber]

Dalam bahasa Melayu, Filem 2020 bermaksud judul filem 2020. Filem tahun 2020 adalah filem yang dihasilkan pada tahun 2020. Jangan terkeliru dengan tatabahasa Inggeris. Lihat FILEM MENARIK TAHUN 2016! bukannya FILEM MENARIK 2016!. Yosri (bincang) 13:26, 31 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Lihat juga Sayang 3 Dalam 1, By Weeda Airiza, Cinta, Alaf 21 Yosri (bincang) 13:27, 31 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Akhbar[sunting sumber]

Akhbar biasanya tidak menggunakan di, sebaliknya terus nama negeri. Lihat W. J. Chater, Abdul Ghaffar Laili, Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, 1994 - Sarawak - 156 pages, Sejarah Ringkas Hubungan Ekonomi Vietnam-Jepun, By Uqbah Iqbal, bukan akhbar di Vietnam. Yosri (bincang) 13:53, 31 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Stesen televisyen Indonesia[sunting sumber]

Stesen televisyen Indonesia Gempak, Buku, SUARA TV, bukannya Stesen televisyen di Indonesia yang hanya wujud di Wikipedia. Saya tak faham, adakah anda memiliki rujukan bagi semua perubahan yang anda lakukan ini? Anda seperti kanak-kanak dalam kedai kaca. Yosri (bincang) 13:59, 31 Julai 2017 (UTC)

Berhenti[sunting sumber]

Berhenti memgalih pada kategori yang panjang namanya. Ia menyukarkan penciptaan rencana baru untuk memaut pada kategori yang panjang kerana hanya anda yang ingat nama panjang. Yosri (bincang) 13:46, 2 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Kategori hanya perlu maksima tiga perkataan supaya mudah diingati penyunting. Lebih dari itu hanya syok sendiri kerana tiada orang lain ingin mengingati kategori berjela. Yosri (bincang) 14:36, 2 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Table[sunting sumber]

Table dalam 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – AFC Second Round Group G table bukan bererti Meja, tetapi Jadual. Harap maklum. Yosri (bincang) 15:45, 6 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Category[sunting sumber]

Please do not remove the following:-

  • Penyanyi Malaysia 1960-an
  • Kumpulan pop-yeh-yeh Malaysia

They have special meaning, an era by it self. Yosri (bincang) 12:58, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Is it necessary to create these kinds of category: Kategori:Penyanyi Malaysia 1960-an, Kategori:Penyanyi Malaysia 1970-an, Kategori:Penyanyi Malaysia 1980-an, Kategori:Penyanyi Malaysia 1990-an, Kategori:Penyanyi Malaysia 2000-an, Kategori:Penyanyi Malaysia 2010-an? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 13:04, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Yes. See Here, Books. It is how people refers things in real life, no in computer terms. Yosri (bincang) 13:31, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

I hope that you provide reliable sources to those stand-alone Wikipedia articles that you have created since 2003. This is encyclopedia, and readers are expecting articles with reliable sources and verifiable content. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 13:30, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Easily. The only thing I don't have is time, as I am not paid to do this. It's is an on going process. Yosri (bincang) 13:32, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)
Those article is about things ubiquitous in Malay life, like mention ToyRUs, or Grand Canyon. That is why I neglected it in early days. That is why, nobody complain much, unless for foreigners. Anyhow, I am adding it as ongoing, because I also want to add heavy content in this wiki such like my edit :-
  1. https://ms.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zayn_Javadd_Malik&type=revision&diff=4092878&oldid=4092662
  2. https://ms.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mind_of_Mine_%28album_Zayn_Malik%29&type=revision&diff=4092870&oldid=4092293
  3. https://ms.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peramalan_cuaca&action=history Yosri (bincang) 13:39, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)
I got a job and a family in real life, so be tolerance, considering other is not helping to add those reference. I am staying up to 2am to fight vandal, clean up article, translating and putting reference. And then have to get up early to send my kids to schools and to work. If you need to check some reference, just highlight 1 or 2 for urgent reference, otherwise, do bear with me while I updating all those article. After all I have been updating since there is only 11 article in MS Wiki, with the last article maintain a few month old. After all, I am only one person. Please also consult before making any massive changes. This is not English Wiki, and there be some variance on culture naming etc. Yosri (bincang) 13:50, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Pertubuhan kerajaan di Malaysia[sunting sumber]

Do you have any reference for terms "Pertubuhan kerajaan" being used for Jabatan Kerja Raya. It is not you job to create new terms. Wiki is nor for creating new language. Yosri (bincang) 13:28, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Filem Kaca Permata[sunting sumber]

Please do not delete the redirection. It is the proper Malay name. Kaca Permata (film) is "bastard"/"gutter" language used only within Wikipedia. No other Malay media is using it. Yosri (bincang) 14:40, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Keluarga Diraja Perak[sunting sumber]

Keluarga Diraja Perak = Perak Royalty. Why remove? An article can have more than 1 category. Yosri (bincang) 15:33, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Perak Royalty is not the same with Selangor Royalty nor Johor Royalty. They each should have their ondividual category to avoid confusions. Yosri (bincang) 15:37, 7 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Kehilangan Enjin Jet TUDM[sunting sumber]

Do not remove content without moving it to the other article. Doing so again in future will be treated as vandalism. Yosri (bincang) 11:44, 9 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Sumbangan anda[sunting sumber]

Salam saudara, nampaknya anda begitu aktif dalam memberikan sumbangan sunting anda di Wikipedia terutama sekali berkaitan kategori dan pemindahan laman. Terima kasih kerana begitu aktif di Wikipedia. Harap saudara terus selesa menyumbang disini. --Aplikasi (bincang) 07:21, 15 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Fish category[sunting sumber]

Why are you removing fish category? It is following English Wiki. Are you going to remove those category in English wiki also? Yosri (bincang) 18:13, 15 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

en:WP:REDNOT. An article should never be left with a non-existent (red-linked) category in it. Either the category should be created, or else the nonexistent category link should be removed or changed to a category that does exist. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 18:35, 15 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Please remember you are in Malay wiki, not english. Unless it is wiki policy, guideline can differ. WBM do not have resource as per english wiki, as such, removing usefull material is a no, no. Fix it if you can, or refer to any admin, if in doubt. I temp block you so I can review your changes, but I am tied up still. Please refrain removing useful material as we only have limited contributor and wbm is still a developing unlike english wiki. Yosri (bincang) 14:58, 16 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

By the way, what is your opinion about deletion policy? Do you prefer to delete any orphaned page (no pages transclude/link to it)? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 15:19, 16 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

I prefer if you can create "orphaned page" category. I admit I am guilty for some, as sometime I translate subject that caught my fancy, but have no time to search/link to similar subject. Putting it in a group make it easier to rectified this. Unfortunately, currently I am tied up in real life matter, to fix some of the issues you raised. I am fixing the mountain article, follow by fish later. Yosri (bincang) 05:40, 17 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Re:Adding interwiki in the Wikidata[sunting sumber]

No need because it will enable another bots to increasing the number of edits in Malay Wikipedia. If I use my bot inserting directly in the Wikidata, it will affect Malay Wikipedia because it only have a few number of edits, however, if another bot moving directly to Wikidata, it will help this Wikipedia to increasing the number of edits. --Aplikasi (bincang) 10:47, 19 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

August 2017[sunting sumber]

Information.svg Terima kasih kerana mencuba laman Pengguna:Yob4ever di Wikipedia. Percubaan anda berjaya dan telah diundurkan atau dihapuskan. Sila gunakan kotak pasir untuk sebarang percubaan yang anda kehendaki. Selain itu, anda boleh melihat laman pengenalan untuk mempelajari lebih lanjut bagaimana anda boleh menyumbang di ensiklopedia ini.


Information.svg Thank you for editing the site Pengguna:Yob4ever in Wikipedia. Your edit has been successful and has been reverted or deleted. Please use the sandbox for test edits. You can also read the introduction page to learn about how you can contribute to this encyclopedia. Aplikasi (bincang) 10:50, 19 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Usul penghapusan laman nyahkekaburan[sunting sumber]

Jangan sesuka hati mahu mengusulkan penghapusan laman nyahkekaburan kerana setiap polisi di Wikipedia tidak sama dengan Wikipedia bahasa lain. WBM bebas melakukan suntingan malah laman nyahkekaburan dibenarkan disini. --Aplikasi (bincang) 11:01, 19 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

August 2017[sunting sumber]

Ikon amaran Sila hentikan suntingan gangguan anda. Jika anda terus melaku musnah, anda berkemungkinan disekat daripada menyunting. Please stop your requesting speedy deletion towards category and Wikipedia disambiguation. Each Wikipedia had their own policy and please not make a similarity between Malay Wikipedia and another Wiipedia versions


Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to harm Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Aplikasi (bincang) 11:16, 19 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Activities[sunting sumber]

Due to recent activities, I have decided to minimised my activities in Wikipedia. Yosri (bincang) 23:37, 19 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Gunung Kopi[sunting sumber]

Please specify what kind of clarity you need for being in Malaysia? That it is not in Indonesia, Iran nor Iraq. Yosri (bincang) 14:53, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

The general readers for sure expecting specific location. Which state the mountain is located in? By the way, don't forget to put specific stub template after creating intentional stub article. Stub article have potential to attract interested editors to expand them in future hopefully. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 14:58, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I also not sure, and do not wish to spend time to dig up more info, as I am more focus on adding reference link (this is what I mean of reducing my activity). Other user can add, after reading the reference link given. Yosri (bincang) 15:10, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Actually, what is the current target of the Malay Wikipedia active community? To create a lot of stub articles in order to achieve 300K articles? Some editors intentionally put interwiki below the article in the hope that the bot will migrate those interwiki into WikiData and increasing Malay Wikipedia total edits? Some editors don't really bother to edit the link in WikiData and let those page unconnected with other WikiMedia project? I'm not sure this Malay Wikipedia is on the right track to be a reliable encyclopedia or still clueless what's really matters. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 15:21, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Current target of Malay Wikipedia is providing link between local name and scientific name. Details can be obtains from English Wiki, once the scientific name is known. The existing Wikidata doesn't pop by itself, just limited resources of manpower and time to do so. They are volunteer, and does not work for you. They do not have to answer anything. Yosri (bincang) 15:58, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Is it possible for this Malay Wikipedia promoting #KL2017 SEA Games in Wikipedia site notice announcement above the page? I bet that the ASEAN community (including Malay Wikipedia visitors) in the mood to celebrate this SEA Games. Just now, we only see Terdapat perbincangan bagi pengundian gambar dan rencana pilihan untuk bulan Ogos di sini. Ikuti Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu di F icon.svg Facebook. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 15:29, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

You can suggest at Coffee Shop. For me, I am busy adding reference link, so those article won't get deleted. Yosri (bincang) 15:58, 22 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

State dance[sunting sumber]

Kindly refrain removing category by state. Different state sometime have their unique dance, not pratice elsewhere. Yosri (bincang) 02:07, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Not all Malay dance is Malaysia dance. Malay (traditions) can be found in Brunei, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cocos Island, South Africa etc. Yosri (bincang) 02:15, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Tarian Malaysia is an umbrella term to all popular dances practiced by any communities in Malaysia. It also applied to Tarian Indonesia, refer to all popular dances in Indonesia. It is unnecessary for every tarian page contain Kategori:Kebudayaan Malaysia. Kategori:Tarian Malaysia already categorised under Kategori:Kebudayaan Malaysia. By the way, I find it is controversial to label some dances are Tarian Melayu after seeing disputed statements claiming those dances actually from somewhere else, from Java, from Arab.. Well, that is the reason on why I removing Kategori:Tarian Melayu from those pages. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 02:17, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you that not all Malay dance must be exclusively Malaysian dance. The Malay diaspora exist everywhere in the world. Why not we create categories by country: Kategori:Tarian Brunei, Kategori:Tarian Singapura, and so on. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 02:27, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

You cannot put it as umbrella terms as it is not generally prevelent in Malaysia, only specific state. Originate is irrelevent as culture is by race, not country. Part of Indonesia was originally under Malay kingdom ie, Riau, Palembang. Just because Malay in South Africa practice joget lambak, it is wrong to say it is South Africa dance. Take note that Malay culture exist long before Java culture, and Java culture do borrow from Malays, despite claiming otherwise. Just because Malay not making any noice doesn't mean we are ignorance of that. Some dance that was taken from hindu, being claimed as theirs is also no comcern of mine. Yosri (bincang) 03:34, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)
By your logic, I should amend English wiki for Ghost Dance to American culture, not Nevada or Carlifornia, nor native American. Yosri (bincang) 03:50, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)
On originated, it means inspired, not actual dance. You don't say Rap originated from Africa because it as a form of griot. They are similar, but not the same thing in terms of musical instrument and lyrics. Yosri (bincang) 03:55, 24 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Kerang-kerangan[sunting sumber]

Although their name is siput they are classified as kerang-kerangan in Malay. Don't as me why. Refer to:

This one is clearer https://books.google.com.my/books?id=CD6JeqExpXoC&pg=PA52&dq=kerang+kerangan&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=kerang%20kerangan&f=false

Usually if it is eaten, it is called kerangan, but siput babi is always siput. Yosri (bincang) 06:19, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Kerang-kerangan = Shellfish? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 06:33, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC) - Yes Yosri (bincang) 20:45, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC) All shellfish are edible (safe to eat). Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 06:37, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

It is a matter of culture taste. It is eatan "Escargots" by French. Yosri (bincang) 18:28, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC) The Malay avoid them - word connotation with "babi/pig". Yosri (bincang) 20:45, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Burung[sunting sumber]

Pautan luar = External link. Pautan dalam = Internal link. Jangan calon pemadaman bagi laman yang dirujuk oleh laman-laman lain. For this particular page, I can put pollute with non-Malay name, but not interested at this time, that is why it is pending. Yosri (bincang) 19:29, 26 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

dead end[sunting sumber]

Please stop putting dead end'. It is not mandatory to link to other Wiki, since the article may not exist there. If you know there are, add the actual link, not the dead end. Yosri (bincang) 16:23, 27 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

In your opinion, what is really mandatory in this Malay Wikipedia? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 16:27, 27 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Malay Wikipedian is only responsible to article within WBM, not need to forced them to create article in other language. Yosri (bincang) 16:39, 27 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Explain more in details what is really mandatory in this Malay Wikipedia? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 01:25, 28 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Do you have any Wikipedia essay to justify what you believe is mandatory or not? Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 01:26, 28 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

If it is not policy, it is not mandatory. Any guidelines is to be discussed by local/WBM community. Enforcing other community guidelines without local discussion is frown upon. My approach is, new contributor of new articles should not be burden with too many restrictive rules. This will turn them off. We are to encourage them to contribute and supervisor/user who start telling people what to do (which was never agreed upon by the community) is unhelpful. Yosri (bincang) 03:03, 28 Ogos 2017 (UTC)
Hi there. You can still put reference required/dead link, just not for dead end. I will try to fix those cases. Yosri (bincang) 03:54, 28 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

What are you trying to say here? I hope that you revert back all your edits to my edits. Do you understand what is the purpose of tagging {{Dead end}}? I hope you read first this Wiki Fixup project page, en:Wikipedia:Dead-end pages. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 04:04, 28 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Senarai Majlis Tertinggi UMNO 2000-2003‎[sunting sumber]

Information.svg Terima kasih kerana mencuba laman Senarai Majlis Tertinggi UMNO 2000-2003‎ di Wikipedia. Percubaan anda berjaya dan telah diundurkan atau dihapuskan. Sila gunakan kotak pasir untuk sebarang percubaan yang anda kehendaki. Selain itu, anda boleh melihat laman pengenalan untuk mempelajari lebih lanjut bagaimana anda boleh menyumbang di ensiklopedia ini.


Information.svg Thank you for editing the site Senarai Majlis Tertinggi UMNO 2000-2003‎ in Wikipedia. Your edit has been successful and has been reverted or deleted. Please use the sandbox for test edits. You can also read the introduction page to learn about how you can contribute to this encyclopedia. Yosri (bincang) 18:20, 27 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Berita Bulanan (Minggu 37 hingga 41 2017)[sunting sumber]

Salam dan hai kepada semua pengguna Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu.

Maaf kerana lambat mengemaskini tentang berita pada bulan ini. Kerja di dunia nyata banyak menarik masa terluang saya menyunting di sini. Walauapapun, berikut adalah ringkasan apa yang akan berlaku untuk bulan depan:

Gambar pilihan mingguan
Berikut adalah gambar pilihan mingguan yang sedang diundi. Anda hanya perlu meletakkan {{Undi|v}} atau {{undi|x}} pada bahagian undian. Tekan gambar untuk ke bahagian mengundi.

Anda juga boleh mencalonkan gambar pilihan anda dan pastikan gambar yang dicalon mempunyai rencana berkaitan.

Rencana pilihan
Rencana Pilihan diadakan sebulan sekali. Bulan Julai, tiada rencana telah dipilih untuk Rencana Pilihan (arkib). Berikut adalah calon rencana pilihan bagi bulan September 2017:
  1. Sarawak (undi di sini)
Anda boleh mula mencalonkan dari sekarang sehingga 4 September 2017. Semasa pengundian dijalankan, anda boleh menambah calon untuk bulan seterusnya atau mengundi bulan yang lain jika ada.
Rencana baik
Jika rencana anda gagal mendapatkan tempat di Rencana Pilihan, Rencana Baik memberi ruang rencana anda dihargai. Jika menepati beberapa mutu WBM, rencana tersebut akan terus dimasukkan kepada Rencana Baik tanpa pengundian selepas dicalonkan di Rencana Pilihan. Anda juga boleh mencalonkan terus ke Rencana Baik tanpa melalui Rencana Pilihan. Berikut adalah rencana baik yang boleh di undi:
  1. Tiada pencalonan
Anda boleh mencalonkan rencana baik anda disini.
Senarai pilihan
Rencana yang menempatkan senarai sepenuhnya boleh dicalonkan. Perlu mengikut kriteria yang ditetapkan.
Tiada pencalonan setakat ini.
Anda boleh mencalonkan senarai pilihan anda disini.
Tahukah anda
Ruangan Tahukah anda? di Laman Utama memaparkan beberapa fakta yang difikirkan menarik untuk dikongsikan bersama. Fakta-fakta berikut akan dipaparkan secara rawak pada setiap masa berdasarkan:
  • berita semasa
  • pengetahuan am
  • rencana terbaru Wikipedia
Jika anda ada sebarang cadangan info yang boleh dikongsi; anda boleh membantu kami dengan mencadangkan atau menyumbang terus ke dalam paparan automatik kami. Baca dahulu peraturan sebelum menyumbang.

Berita ini akan diberikan kepada semua ahli aktif di WBM secara automatik. Jika anda tidak mahu mendapat langganan berita ini, anda boleh menyahlanggan berita ini di sini
SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 05:59, 31 Ogos 2017 (UTC)

Kategori:Anak didik Adnan Abu Hassan[sunting sumber]

Helo Alexander Iskandar, saya harap awak jangan buang kategori anak didik Adnan Abu Hassan. Kategori itu penting bagi kenalpasti artis-artis yang bakat mereka dicungkil oleh Adnan Abu Hassan. Harap maklum.Fandi89 (bincang) 14:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Fandi89:, please help improve those articles by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Alexander Iskandar (bincang) 22:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Berita Bulanan (Minggu 39 hingga 43 2017)[sunting sumber]

Salam dan hai kepada semua pengguna Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu.

Berikut adalah ringkasan apa yang akan berlaku untuk bulan depan:

Gambar pilihan mingguan
Berikut adalah gambar pilihan mingguan yang sedang diundi. Anda hanya perlu meletakkan {{Undi|v}} atau {{undi|x}} pada bahagian undian. Tekan gambar untuk ke bahagian mengundi.

Anda juga boleh mencalonkan gambar pilihan anda dan pastikan gambar yang dicalon mempunyai rencana berkaitan.

Rencana pilihan
Rencana Pilihan diadakan sebulan sekali. Bulan Julai, tiada rencana telah dipilih untuk Rencana Pilihan (arkib). Berikut adalah calon rencana pilihan bagi bulan Oktober 2017:
  1. Bachtiar Effendi (undi di sini)
Anda boleh mula mencalonkan dari sekarang sehingga 30 September 2017. Semasa pengundian dijalankan, anda boleh menambah calon untuk bulan seterusnya atau mengundi bulan yang lain jika ada.
Rencana baik
Jika rencana anda gagal mendapatkan tempat di Rencana Pilihan, Rencana Baik memberi ruang rencana anda dihargai. Jika menepati beberapa mutu WBM, rencana tersebut akan terus dimasukkan kepada Rencana Baik tanpa pengundian selepas dicalonkan di Rencana Pilihan. Anda juga boleh mencalonkan terus ke Rencana Baik tanpa melalui Rencana Pilihan. Berikut adalah rencana baik yang boleh di undi:
  1. Tiada pencalonan
Anda boleh mencalonkan rencana baik anda disini.
Senarai pilihan
Rencana yang menempatkan senarai sepenuhnya boleh dicalonkan. Perlu mengikut kriteria yang ditetapkan.
Tiada pencalonan setakat ini.
Anda boleh mencalonkan senarai pilihan anda disini.
Tahukah anda
Ruangan Tahukah anda? di Laman Utama memaparkan beberapa fakta yang difikirkan menarik untuk dikongsikan bersama. Fakta-fakta berikut akan dipaparkan secara rawak pada setiap masa berdasarkan:
  • berita semasa
  • pengetahuan am
  • rencana terbaru Wikipedia
Jika anda ada sebarang cadangan info yang boleh dikongsi; anda boleh membantu kami dengan mencadangkan atau menyumbang terus ke dalam paparan automatik kami. Baca dahulu peraturan sebelum menyumbang.

Berita ini akan diberikan kepada semua ahli aktif di WBM secara automatik. Jika anda tidak mahu mendapat langganan berita ini, anda boleh menyahlanggan berita ini di sini
SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 04:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Bintang Penghargaan Ketekunan[sunting sumber]

Bintang Penghargaan Ketekunan Bintang Penghargaan Ketekunan
Anda telah menunjukkan usaha yang luar biasa dalam mengemaskini kategori dalam pelbagai topik sehingga ianya boleh dikira sebagai pengkategorian yang begitu berkualiti.

You have shown tremendous effort in updating categories across multiple topics so they can be considered as a quality categorization.--SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 10:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

iNews Jakarta[sunting sumber]

METR FOS POS iNews Jakarta, fyts eoafsmmatim di weaetim dan iNews --110.137.40.24 07:47, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

iNews 31 Oktober 2017[sunting sumber]

METR FOS POS iNews Tahun,2015-2017 Indonesia News yang iNews TV --110.137.40.24 17:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Berita Bulanan (Minggu 44 hingga 48 2017)[sunting sumber]

Salam dan hai kepada semua pengguna Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu.

Maaf kerana lambat menyiarkan berita ini. Agak sibuk kebelakangan ini dengan kehidupan luar internet. Oleh kerana saya agak lambat mengemaskini, dan anda sudah terlepas untuk mengundi, anda boleh mendapat kemaskini terbaru melalui senarai pantau anda. Anda hanya perlu klik butang "(Masukkan ke senarai pantau saya)".

Berikut adalah ringkasan apa yang akan berlaku untuk bulan November 2017:

Gambar pilihan mingguan (Masukkan ke senarai pantau saya)
Berikut adalah gambar pilihan mingguan yang sedang diundi. Anda hanya perlu meletakkan {{Undi|v}} atau {{undi|x}} pada bahagian undian. Tekan gambar untuk ke bahagian mengundi. Gambar yang sudah ditutup undian, pautan akan memaut ke laman rencana tajuk gambar tersebut.

Anda juga boleh mencalonkan gambar pilihan anda dan pastikan gambar yang dicalon mempunyai rencana berkaitan.

Rencana pilihan (Masukkan ke senarai pantau saya)
Rencana Pilihan diadakan sebulan sekali. Rencana Pilihan sebelum ini adalah Lie Kim Hok. Berikut adalah calon rencana pilihan bagi bulan Disember 2017:
  1. Jam air (undi di sini)
Anda boleh mula mencalonkan dari sekarang sehingga 22 November 2017. Semasa pengundian dijalankan, anda boleh menambah calon untuk bulan seterusnya atau mengundi bulan yang lain jika ada.
Rencana baik (Masukkan ke senarai pantau saya)
Jika rencana anda gagal mendapatkan tempat di Rencana Pilihan, Rencana Baik memberi ruang rencana anda dihargai. Jika menepati beberapa mutu WBM, rencana tersebut akan terus dimasukkan kepada Rencana Baik tanpa pengundian selepas dicalonkan di Rencana Pilihan. Anda juga boleh mencalonkan terus ke Rencana Baik tanpa melalui Rencana Pilihan. Berikut adalah rencana baik yang boleh di undi:
  1. Hujan (undi disini)
  2. Darah dan Doa (undi disini)
  3. Lisa Surihani (undi disini)
  4. Syamsul Yusof (undi disini)
  5. Unplugged (album Siti Nurhaliza) (undi disini)
  6. Siti Nurhaliza in Symphony (undi disini)
  7. Konsert Lentera Timur (undi disini)
  8. Sjumandjaja (undi disini)
  9. Pekin Ibrahim (undi disini)
  10. Chester Bennington (undi disini)
  11. All Your Love (undi disini)
  12. Jeff "Swampy" Marsh (undi disini)
  13. Mohd Najib bin Abdul Razak (undi disini)
  14. Kami, Perempoean (undi disini)
Anda boleh mencalonkan rencana baik anda disini.
Senarai pilihan (Masukkan ke senarai pantau saya)
Rencana yang menempatkan senarai sepenuhnya boleh dicalonkan. Perlu mengikut kriteria yang ditetapkan.
Tiada pencalonan setakat ini.
Anda boleh mencalonkan senarai pilihan anda disini.
Tahukah anda
Ruangan Tahukah anda? di Laman Utama memaparkan beberapa fakta yang difikirkan menarik untuk dikongsikan bersama. Fakta-fakta berikut akan dipaparkan secara rawak pada setiap masa berdasarkan:
  • berita semasa
  • pengetahuan am
  • rencana terbaru Wikipedia
Jika anda ada sebarang cadangan info yang boleh dikongsi; anda boleh membantu kami dengan mencadangkan atau menyumbang terus ke dalam paparan automatik kami. Baca dahulu peraturan sebelum menyumbang.

Berita ini akan diberikan kepada semua ahli aktif di WBM secara automatik. Jika anda tidak mahu mendapat langganan berita ini, anda boleh menyahlanggan berita ini di sini
SNN95Natsu and Happy.png Letter.jpg LAPIZ.SVG Online Online 08:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)