Perbincangan:IMMAGINE&POESIA

Should be deleted

Fail:Ferlinghetti meets Immagine&Poesia representatives.jpg

Photoshopping to claim a connection

This article is part of a cross-wiki campaign to promote the movement. The article is already deleted on english, french, german, swedish, norwegian and even on the italian (!) wiki, and is discussed other places as well.

Most part of the campaign is performed by only 3 users - who hasn't written about many other things on Wikipedia:

• Angler45,
• Alessandroga80 and
• Aeron10

Please also note that this picture, that is a part of the cross wiki campaign is a hoax; photoshopped to give the impression that two representatives from I&P met the known poet Ferlinghetti. See commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ferlinghetti meets Immagine&Poesia representatives.jpg, and ask Angler45 for an explanation. Bw --Orland (bincang) 12:14, 12 Mac 2016 (UTC)

Never seen such a cross-wiki-attack coming from one User: Orland. Since 2011 the article has been on Wikipedia. The meeting with poet Ferlinghetti was real and arranged by his spokesman Garrett Caples and was also documented in Italian newspaper La Stampa [[1]] The photo is not a hoax, but a photoshop improvement of the original photo that was not professional enough for uploading on wiki as Angler45 explained.

The page is not promotional as it only tells the story of the Movement. When it was deleted on some of the mentioned wikis a book about the Movement was not published yet---Oberon12 (bincang) 07:50, 15 Mac 2016 (UTC)

@Oberon12 There is no good argument in playing hurt, or in accusing me for not beeing able to "read and understand". Do you really think that "the message of Peace and cooperation among peoples of different cultures" is depending upon this Wikipedia entry? Either you provide good sources that could convince all of us experiences users that are looking into this now, or you take the blame for trying to use Wikipedia for promoting your network. Bw --Orland (bincang) 10:32, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@OrlandHi Orland. I invite you to read carefully the page again, then tell us where you find sentences that can lead to think of a promotion of the Movement. Independent secondary sources have been added by Aeron10; different poetry reviews and newspapers (from the UK, Poland, South Korea, Tunisia, Montecarlo, just to say a few) have articles on Immagine & Poesia and I think they are good enough to comply Wikipedia rules. Also in Norway "Sarpsborg Arbeiderblad" published an article of an exhibition of paintings and poems organized in 2014 at Tune Bibliotek [2]. The journalist is CECILIE SOMMER-MATHIESEN

redaksjonen@sa.no, you can ask her info about the Movement. As to the new photo, I don't know ... it might be photoshopped to get it better (are there any rules that forbid the use of Photoshop in Wikipedia ?), but this is not relevant: the meeting was reported in an Italian paper; the scanned page is here http://immagine.poesia.over-blog.it/pages/LAWRENCE_FERLINGHETTI_meets_LIDIA_CHIARELLI_in_San_Francisco-8776849.html

Of course I agree that the meeting does not establish notability to the movementt, but maybe Aeronwy Thomas (who founded it in 2007) yes, she does. Regards--Oberon12 (bincang) 05:27, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Oberon12 Promotion of the movement is not a discussion about certain words or sentences. It is a discussion about whether this movement is so important that it is worth mentioning. It is obviously in the interest of I&P to appear as a worldwide reknown movement.
I've already read the piece you refer to in Sarpsborg Arbeiderblad. However; Sarpsborg public library is not a kind of gallery or institution that establishes notability for an art movement. Actually, I am about to perform a poetry reading in a public library myself 3 weeks from now, together with my father. We have a carefully selected repertoire of poets that forms a unity of "poem about the forests", and a philosophy behind it. But we would never come to think of our activity as an "art movement" that deserves metioning in 69 different languages of Wikipedia. That would be shameless vanity. Bw --Orland (bincang) 06:39, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I&P appeared in many wikipedias as there are poets and artists from all those countries. It is a worldwide Movement. This is the truth, not shameless vanity, as you say. If Sarpsborg public library is not an institution that establishes notability, exhibitions were made in Dylan Thomas Centre in Swansea (Wales, UK) and Promotrice delle Belle Arti (Turin Italy): both of them are important, public cultural institutions.

Moreover in wikipedia there is section with the lists of translators available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translators_available because Wikipedia is a multilingual project; as such, we may have articles on one subject available in many languages. Now I have to think that there is something misleading in this page: when some of us asked for translations, they were highly welcome and noone spoke of the danger of promotion that - on the contrary - you find in these translations. Best wishes for your poetry reading--Oberon12 (bincang) 11:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)